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VMRCplus installation problems

Source: microsoft.public.virtualserver
Sent: 05/07/2008
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

I just wanted to share some insight I got today after struggling with
a VS2005R2SP1 installation.
Because the PC we installed on was not allowed to run a webserver we
could not use the admin website and we had to disable the web
component in VS2005 setup. This is OK, I have it like this at home
too.
But then we will need VMRCplus to administer the virtual server so we
installed that too. Installation went smooth....

The problem happened when we tried to run VMRCplus, it immediately
showed a Windows exception box with no information other than a long
hex code value and never showed a user form...

After much testing with installing various versions of VS2005 and
VMRCplus and even enabling IIS as a last resort all with the same
error we finally googled the exact error message and found the reason:

In order for VMRCplus to actually work DotNetFramework 2 must be
installed on the PC!
Since this is such a showstopper I am amazed that Microsoft chose not
to check for DotNetFramework in the installer for VMRCplus! We would
never have done it this way, we would have checked and then failed the
install with a message that it was missing.

Wonder why Microsoft in its wisdom does these things so sloppily, this
is not the first instance of similar behaviour.

Anyway, by posting here I hope someone else may benefit and not need
to scratch their heads as much as we did today...

Bo Berglund

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Re: VMRCplus installation problems

Sent: 05/08/2008
From: "Tim Walsh" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Probably because this isn't a Microsoft supported product, but one developed
by someone on the Microsoft team for their personal use. Just a guess he/she
had .Net Framework 2 installed and never thought about it, I know when I
build stuff for my own use I seldom think about adding all the stuff that I
already have installed on my workstation in case someone else wants to use
it.

"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

>I just wanted to share some insight I got today after struggling with
> a VS2005R2SP1 installation.
> Because the PC we installed on was not allowed to run a webserver we
> could not use the admin website and we had to disable the web
> component in VS2005 setup. This is OK, I have it like this at home
> too.
> But then we will need VMRCplus to administer the virtual server so we
> installed that too. Installation went smooth....
>
> The problem happened when we tried to run VMRCplus, it immediately
> showed a Windows exception box with no information other than a long
> hex code value and never showed a user form...
>
> After much testing with installing various versions of VS2005 and
> VMRCplus and even enabling IIS as a last resort all with the same
> error we finally googled the exact error message and found the reason:
>
> In order for VMRCplus to actually work DotNetFramework 2 must be
> installed on the PC!
> Since this is such a showstopper I am amazed that Microsoft chose not
> to check for DotNetFramework in the installer for VMRCplus! We would
> never have done it this way, we would have checked and then failed the
> install with a message that it was missing.
>
> Wonder why Microsoft in its wisdom does these things so sloppily, this
> is not the first instance of similar behaviour.
>
> Anyway, by posting here I hope someone else may benefit and not need
> to scratch their heads as much as we did today...
>
>
> Bo Berglund

Re: VMRCplus installation problems

Sent: 05/08/2008
From: "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

While it would be nice to have the installer check for it, I do want to
point out that the requirement was NOT overlooked by the developer. To
further condemn that "Microsoft in its wisdom does these things so sloppily"
is unfair. In fact, if you look at the download page for VMRCPlus on
Microsoft's site, it lists a "System Requirements" section as follows:

System Requirements

Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003; Windows Server 2003 R2
(32-Bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition (32-Bit x86);
Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003 R2
Standard Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard x64 Edition ;
Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2;
Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition (32-bit x86); Windows Server 2003,
Enterprise x64 Edition; Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows
Vista Enterprise; Windows Vista Enterprise 64-bit edition; Windows XP
64-bit; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Professional x64
Edition ; Windows XP Service Pack 2

..Net Framework 2.0

Thank you for sharing your experience with this nevertheless and providing
an opportunity to share knowledge around this issue.
--Ryan

--
Ryan Sokolowski
MVP - Clustering
MCSE, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP

"Tim Walsh" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

> Probably because this isn't a Microsoft supported product, but one
> developed by someone on the Microsoft team for their personal use. Just a
> guess he/she had .Net Framework 2 installed and never thought about it, I
> know when I build stuff for my own use I seldom think about adding all the
> stuff that I already have installed on my workstation in case someone else
> wants to use it.
>
> "Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>I just wanted to share some insight I got today after struggling with
>> a VS2005R2SP1 installation.
>> Because the PC we installed on was not allowed to run a webserver we
>> could not use the admin website and we had to disable the web
>> component in VS2005 setup. This is OK, I have it like this at home
>> too.
>> But then we will need VMRCplus to administer the virtual server so we
>> installed that too. Installation went smooth....
>>
>> The problem happened when we tried to run VMRCplus, it immediately
>> showed a Windows exception box with no information other than a long
>> hex code value and never showed a user form...
>>
>> After much testing with installing various versions of VS2005 and
>> VMRCplus and even enabling IIS as a last resort all with the same
>> error we finally googled the exact error message and found the reason:
>>
>> In order for VMRCplus to actually work DotNetFramework 2 must be
>> installed on the PC!
>> Since this is such a showstopper I am amazed that Microsoft chose not
>> to check for DotNetFramework in the installer for VMRCplus! We would
>> never have done it this way, we would have checked and then failed the
>> install with a message that it was missing.
>>
>> Wonder why Microsoft in its wisdom does these things so sloppily, this
>> is not the first instance of similar behaviour.
>>
>> Anyway, by posting here I hope someone else may benefit and not need
>> to scratch their heads as much as we did today...
>>
>>
>> Bo Berglund
>
>

Re: VMRCplus installation problems

Sent: 05/08/2008
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:32:06 -0400, "Tim Walsh" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

Yeah, as long as one knows about it it is not such a big deal, really.
But the download for the .Net2 redistributable was 20-30 Mb as I
recall...

Bo Berglund

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>Probably because this isn't a Microsoft supported product, but one developed
>by someone on the Microsoft team for their personal use. Just a guess he/she
>had .Net Framework 2 installed and never thought about it, I know when I
>build stuff for my own use I seldom think about adding all the stuff that I
>already have installed on my workstation in case someone else wants to use
>it.

Re: VMRCplus installation problems

Sent: 05/08/2008
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:52:39 -0400, "Ryan Sokolowski [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

I guess that I should have not written it quite as harsh. Sorry for
that. My excuse is the fatigue I felt and my frustration at
applications that presuppose tons of dependent components to be
present.

.....

Yes, but I had no reason to read that part since I have succesfully
used VMRCplus on several PC:s without issue since a long time. It is a
known tool to me so reading the fine print did not occur to me at all.
Those computers had various development systems installed and these
usually also deploy DOTNET as part of their installs, so I was unaware
of the dependency.

Sorry for causing grief, I posted after I had been installing
uninstalling and resinstalling for several hours using both older and
newer VS2005 and the same for VMRCplus.
It was only after googling the exact error message I got wind of the
real cause.

Interestingly I also tried to install VMRCplus 1.7 on my new laptop at
work in order to try to connect to the VS via the network. No problem,
except it did not work on start....
But this time there *was* an error message in the pop-up message
telling me that DOTNET 1.1 (which was installed) was too old and I
needed 2.0 instead. That message would have been good to have also on
the PC we were installing on previously.

Anyway, thanks to VMRCplus I don't need IIS installed, which is a
great bonus. Thanks a lot for the program, I am not complaining about
that, just the installer....

Bo Berglund

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>While it would be nice to have the installer check for it, I do want to
>point out that the requirement was NOT overlooked by the developer. To
>further condemn that "Microsoft in its wisdom does these things so sloppily"
>is unfair. In fact, if you look at the download page for VMRCPlus on
>Microsoft's site, it lists a "System Requirements" section as follows:
>
>System Requirements
>
>
>.Net Framework 2.0
>Thank you for sharing your experience with this nevertheless and providing
>an opportunity to share knowledge around this issue.

Re: VMRCplus installation problems

Sent: 05/09/2008
From: "Dave Harry" <(email address - cut out)group>
Message:

> The problem happened when we tried to run VMRCplus, it immediately

I get exceptions and freezes all the time. There are plenty of situations
that VMRCPlus does not handle.

Most notably:
- Don't restart the VS service while VMRC is running. That's a crash.
- Don't try to add a VM on a remote machine by inserting a UNC path to the
absolute location. That's a crash. (I tried setting "default VM location",
but that crashed too.)
- Type a path wrong while adding a VM. Oh, you better believe that's a
crash.

*Plenty* more.

I'm not entirely grumbling, it's still a very useful program. It just feels
a tad unfinished.

--
Dave Harry

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> showed a Windows exception box with no information other than a long
> hex code value and never showed a user form...

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