Sent: 03/17/2009
From: Wesley
Message:Bo, While I heavly depend on VPC, I do not think that a new release of VPC,
or VS is likely now that MS has released Hyper-V? While VPC, and VS are
essential in my system, I am not holding my breath. It is my hope that I will
eventually be able to run my unsupported apps in Hyper-V, or retire first :-)
--
Wesley
"Bo Berglund" wrote:
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> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:21:01 -0700, MLyons10
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone, I am using Virtual PC 2007 and was wondering if a new version
> >with more features and stability improvements would be released in 2009 or
> >what. I don't know how often a new version comes out...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >:)
>
> Maybe when a new major version of Windows comes out...
> Last time was going from VPC2004 to VPC2007 in order to support VISTA.
> Probably by the time they are nearing Windows7 release or so?
>
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: (email address - cut out)
Message:On Mar 16, 8:35=A0am, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
on
or
Well you could argue that a "major" version hasn't come out since the
product was bought from Connectix.....
There really isn't a timeline. Versions are released when Microsoft is
ready to release them.
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> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:21:01 -0700, MLyons10
>
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >Hi everyone, I am using Virtual PC 2007 and was wondering if a new versi=
> >with more features and stability improvements would be released in 2009 =
> >what. =A0I don't know how often a new version comes out...
>
> >Thanks,
> >:)
>
> Maybe when a new major version of Windows comes out...
> Last time was going from VPC2004 to VPC2007 in order to support VISTA.
> Probably by the time they are nearing Windows7 release or so?
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: MLyons10
Message:Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
to seeing what comes out in future versions.
@Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
Thanks Again,
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:09:02 -0700, Wesley
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
It is pure speculation, but in my book Hyper-V will replace
VirtualServer 2005 for server virtualization and therefore VS2005 is
probably at road's end.
But there is still a market/need for desktop virtualization without
the overhead of a dedicated Win2008 server for hosting.
This is where VPC2007 is positioned and so far we have not seen any
desktop replacement product come out from Microsoft. So I believe that
eiter there will be a VPC2009/2010 release to support new features of
Win7 at least as a host or a completely new product (like Hyper-V was
for the server side).
But I am not holding my breath, I am working with VMWare WorkStation
6.5 for stuff that VPC2007 cannot do....
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Bo Berglund (Sweden)
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>Bo, While I heavly depend on VPC, I do not think that a new release of VPC,
>or VS is likely now that MS has released Hyper-V? While VPC, and VS are
>essential in my system, I am not holding my breath. It is my hope that I will
>eventually be able to run my unsupported apps in Hyper-V, or retire first :-)
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> MLyons10
<(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
particular order:
Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
it's far easier to manage in VMWare.
Support for multiple monitors.
"Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.
Multiple processor support for guests.
VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
advantage of this)
Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.
Passthrough USB support.
Screenshot support.
Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.
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>Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
>to seeing what comes out in future versions.
>
>@Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
>with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
>comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Dave Warren wrote:
64-bit guests.
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David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP
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>> @Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
>> with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
>> comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
>
> There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
> particular order:
>
> Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
> various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
> it's far easier to manage in VMWare.
>
> Support for multiple monitors.
>
> "Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
> local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.
>
> Multiple processor support for guests.
>
> VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
> host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
> advantage of this)
>
> Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.
>
> Passthrough USB support.
>
> Screenshot support.
>
> Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:50:19 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
No, I don't wish VPC had tabs for your VMs instead of individual
windows, and I don't like huge installer, multiple services, agents,
and the rest of the extra overhead always running with a VMWare
install.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>"MLyons10" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do?
>
>Everything you've ever wished that Virtual PC could do...
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:34:06 -0700, MLyons10
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Comparisions abound...google it. Here's one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines
VMWare Workstation also comes with a $189 price tag.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
>to seeing what comes out in future versions.
>
>@Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
>with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
>comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
>
>Thanks Again,
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> David Wilkinson
<(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
I knew I was forgetting something important. This is even more critical
with 2008 R2 (and forward) being x64 only.
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>Dave Warren wrote:
>>> @Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
>>> with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
>>> comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
>>
>> There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
>> particular order:
>>
>> Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
>> various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
>> it's far easier to manage in VMWare.
>>
>> Support for multiple monitors.
>>
>> "Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
>> local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.
>>
>> Multiple processor support for guests.
>>
>> VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
>> host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
>> advantage of this)
>>
>> Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.
>>
>> Passthrough USB support.
>>
>> Screenshot support.
>>
>> Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.
>
>64-bit guests.
Sent: 03/17/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"MLyons10" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Everything you've ever wished that Virtual PC could do...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do?
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
That's true.
But VMWare Player doesn't, nor does VMWare Server...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> VMWare Workstation also comes with a $189 price tag.
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> "Steve Jain
[MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.
I can't say I'm fond of VMWare's install, especially in that it loses
your custom network configuration each time.
On the flip side, because individual VMs are mapped to vmnet0-9, VMs
with custom network configurations can be made more portable if your
network configuration is consistent between physical hosts.
The networking support is also arguably better in VMWare too, although
you can do most of the same things in VPC if you create loopback NICs
and run a lightweight router package (m0n0wall or pfSense work nicely)
in another VM.
Add "Native configurable DHCP and NAT" to the list.
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>On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:50:19 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>"MLyons10" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>
>>> What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do?
>>
>>Everything you've ever wished that Virtual PC could do...
>
>No, I don't wish VPC had tabs for your VMs instead of individual
>windows,
>and I don't like huge installer, multiple services, agents,
>and the rest of the extra overhead always running with a VMWare
>install.
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:20:59 +0100, Magnusb <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
You run another instance of workstation.
Performance isn't always better in VMWare. And, a lot of times it
comes at a cost to the host.
You can get that option with VPC too. The tool is included with
Virtual Server, all you need to do is a custom install, and only
install the VHDMount portion.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>In article <(email address - cut out)>, dave-
>(email address - cut out) says...
>> Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
>>
>> VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.
>
>How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
>than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
>a tabbed interface is nice though.
>
>I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
>Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.
>
>I also think that network handling (even if it might be better) is a bit
>harder to work with than VPC (and I don't liek the extra network drivers
>it installed).
>
>But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
>performance.
>
>Another nice feature with VMWare is the option of mounting virtual
>drives and acess them directly from host.
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> "Steve Jain
[MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
I've yet to see a case where VPC performed better then VMWare, although
VMWare's cost to the host can be higher, especially since VMWare will
let you over-commit RAM.
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>On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:20:59 +0100, Magnusb <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
>>performance.
>
>Performance isn't always better in VMWare. And, a lot of times it
>comes at a cost to the host.
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> Magnusb
<(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
File --> New Window.
Note that a particular VM can only be opened in one VMWare window at a
time, close the tab where ever it's already opened, then open it in the
new window. This does not require shutting down the VM.
Another option is to set your VMs in Appliance View, then use VNC to
mount the displays. The performance of VNC to a localhost machine is
decent, and connecting with VNC into VMWare is much faster then
connecting to a Windows guest.
And it costs more too. Well worth it to me, but still worth
considering.
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>In article <(email address - cut out)>, dave-
>(email address - cut out) says...
>> Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
>>
>> VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.
>
>How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
>than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
>a tabbed interface is nice though.
>I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
>Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.
>But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
>performance.
Sent: 03/18/2009
From: Magnusb <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <(email address - cut out)>, dave-
(email address - cut out) says...
How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
a tabbed interface is nice though.
I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.
I also think that network handling (even if it might be better) is a bit
harder to work with than VPC (and I don't liek the extra network drivers
it installed).
But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
performance.
Another nice feature with VMWare is the option of mounting virtual
drives and acess them directly from host.
And Converter to increase disk space etc.
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> Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
>
> VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.
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