Sent: 01/21/2009
From: rangerbud
Message:Wow that was fast and very helpful. I think I am beginning to narrow this
down.
Even though the guest cannot access the usb - would I be able to set up a
network of some sort and be able to print using the network?
Do you think it would be best to dual boot using the additional hard drive?
And would I then be able access a file created in Vista (of something I
wanted to print and use w2k to print it) and scan something in w2k and move
it to vista and work with it there?
I guess I am asking is it possible to share files between the two OS's?
Its kinda bad that none of my equipment which is still great do not have
vista drivers. In fact I bought a 22" X2gen monitor a few months ago and when
I went to look for vista drivers discovered they declared bankruptcy so it
won't even work with my new computer.
thanks again
"Mark Rae [MVP]" wrote:
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> "rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > I have a new Vista Home Premium 64-bit system that will not run my
> > Canon printer/fax/copier, Dymo printer and HP scanner and maybe
> > some more items.
> > I keep reading that I can dual boot or set up a virtual PC. MS has what
> > sounds like a virtual PC program that would do the job but in all I can
> > discover they do not mention "Home Premium 64-bit" as compatible.
>
> Not quite - Vista Home Premium Edition (32-bit or 64-bit) aren't officially
> supported host OS for Virtual PC, but they work perfectly well.
>
> However, this will probably be of no use to you if your devices are USB
> only, as Virtual PC doesn't support USB devices other than those which can
> be accessed via standard networking e.g. USB hard disks etc. Scanners etc
> generally don't work at all...
>
> > If I were to dual boot I think I want to just add another hard drive.
>
> Adding another hard drive would mean that you wouldn't have to partition
> your existing hard drive, so that's probably a good idea...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>
Sent: 01/21/2009
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:rangerbud wrote:
rangerbud:
You can run Virtual PC on Vista Home Premium 32 or 64 bit (even though it is not
a supported host platform), but unfortunately Virtual PC guests cannot access
the USB ports.
--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP
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> hey guys i like reading these. Maybe you can help me. I have a new vista
> home premium 64 bit system that will not run my canon printer/fax/copier,
> dymo printer and hp scanner and maybe some more items.
> I keep reading that I can dual boot or set up a virtual pc. MS has what
> sounds like a virtual pc program that would do the job but in all i can
> discover they do not mention "home premium 64 bit" as compatible.
> If i were to dual boot I think i want to just add another hard drive.
> any help from you would be appreciated.
Sent: 01/22/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Not quite - Vista Home Premium Edition (32-bit or 64-bit) aren't officially
supported host OS for Virtual PC, but they work perfectly well.
However, this will probably be of no use to you if your devices are USB
only, as Virtual PC doesn't support USB devices other than those which can
be accessed via standard networking e.g. USB hard disks etc. Scanners etc
generally don't work at all...
Adding another hard drive would mean that you wouldn't have to partition
your existing hard drive, so that's probably a good idea...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> I have a new Vista Home Premium 64-bit system that will not run my
> Canon printer/fax/copier, Dymo printer and HP scanner and maybe
> some more items.
> I keep reading that I can dual boot or set up a virtual PC. MS has what
> sounds like a virtual PC program that would do the job but in all I can
> discover they do not mention "Home Premium 64-bit" as compatible.
> If I were to dual boot I think I want to just add another hard drive.
Sent: 01/22/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Stop for a second... The very reason that you're even considering
virtualisation in the first place is because your USB devices are not
compatible with Vista, specifically because there are no Vista drivers for
them. Even if you were to set up a network, what would you connect these
devices to...?
As I said, a second drive would mean that you wouldn't have to partition
your existing drive...
Probably, though there have been reports of earlier versions of Windows
corrupting files / partitions created with Vista's NTFS... You could always
create a separate partition on the new hard drive and format it as FAT32 and
just use it for file sharing. However, if you intend to do this regularly
(i.e. once a day or more), you're going to get seriously hacked off with
constantly having to reboot the machine into the other partition...
Also, you should be aware that Microsoft discontinued mainstream support for
Windows 2000 almost four years ago:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+2000&Filter=FilterNO
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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>> However, this will probably be of no use to you if your devices are USB
>> only, as Virtual PC doesn't support USB devices other than those which
>> can
>> be accessed via standard networking e.g. USB hard disks etc. Scanners etc
>> generally don't work at all...
>
> Even though the guest cannot access the USB ports - would I be able to set
> up a network of some sort and be able to print using the network?
>>> If I were to dual boot I think I want to just add another hard drive.
>>
>> Adding another hard drive would mean that you wouldn't have to partition
>> your existing hard drive, so that's probably a good idea...
>
> Do you think it would be best to dual boot using the additional hard
> drive?
> And would I then be able access a file created in Vista (of something I
> wanted to print and use W2k to print it) and scan something in W2k and
> move
> it to Vista and work with it there?
Sent: 01/22/2009
From: "Bill Grant" <not.available@online>
Message:
"rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
That doesn't make any sense to me. If you could install the USB device
in the vm guest you could certainly share it to the OS running in the host
machine using normal file and printer sharing.
How can you install the device in the vm if the vm can't see it?
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> Even though the guest cannot access the usb - would I be able to set up a
> network of some sort and be able to print using the network?
>
Sent: 01/23/2009
From: Sergei Zhirikov <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Bill Grant wrote:
Perhaps one of those "USB over Network" solutions could help?
Not sure if there is anything that supports Vista x64 though..
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>
> "rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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>
>
>> Even though the guest cannot access the usb - would I be able to set
>> up a
>> network of some sort and be able to print using the network?
>>
>
> That doesn't make any sense to me. If you could install the USB
> device in the vm guest you could certainly share it to the OS running in
> the host machine using normal file and printer sharing.
>
> How can you install the device in the vm if the vm can't see it?
Sent: 01/24/2009
From: "Jan Krohn" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Sergei Zhirikov" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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It doesn't have to; that one can run on the Virtual W2K. In that case, the
USB devices are routed throug the OS via the network, and not via the
virtualization driver.
I could connect my USB printer to the VMs as well.
Best wishes,
Jan
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> Perhaps one of those "USB over Network" solutions could help?
> Not sure if there is anything that supports Vista x64 though..
Sent: 01/24/2009
From: "Sergei Zhirikov" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Jan Krohn" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Yes, but you also need something running on the host
to route everything from the network to the real USB device.
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> "Sergei Zhirikov" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:#(email address - cut out)...
>> Perhaps one of those "USB over Network" solutions could help?
>> Not sure if there is anything that supports Vista x64 though..
>
> It doesn't have to; that one can run on the Virtual W2K. In that case, the
> USB devices are routed throug the OS via the network, and not via the
> virtualization driver.
>
> I could connect my USB printer to the VMs as well.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jan
>
Sent: 01/25/2009
From: Poutnik <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In article <#(email address - cut out)>, (email address - cut out)
says...
One could try VirtualBox 2.1.2
I use it on Vista64 for Linux VMs.
I have read there is installing W2k issue,
caused by bug in w2k disk driver ( AFAIK ),
but is is also said to be workarounded.
and VBox supports USB and is free.
--
Poutnik
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>
> Bill Grant wrote:
> >
> >
> > "rangerbud" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> > news:(email address - cut out)...
> >
> >
> >> Even though the guest cannot access the usb - would I be able to set
> >> up a
> >> network of some sort and be able to print using the network?
> >>
> >
> > That doesn't make any sense to me. If you could install the USB
> > device in the vm guest you could certainly share it to the OS running in
> > the host machine using normal file and printer sharing.
> >
> > How can you install the device in the vm if the vm can't see it?
>
> Perhaps one of those "USB over Network" solutions could help?
> Not sure if there is anything that supports Vista x64 though..
Sent: 01/26/2009
From: "Jan Krohn" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Sergei Zhirikov" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:(email address - cut out)...
No, you don't. The USB devices are connected to the WiFi router, not to the
host.
Jan
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> Yes, but you also need something running on the host
> to route everything from the network to the real USB device.
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