> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
> settings to maximum performance will help too.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >Hi all-
> >
> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
> >THANKS!
>

> >How do I
> >install the VPC additions?
>
> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
>
> >Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> >problem?
>
> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
> virtualization software better.
>
> >What's holding the performance down so much?
>
> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
> time-wise in a VM.
>
> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
>
> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
>
> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >Mr. Comer,
> >
> >Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
> >install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> >problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> >
> >> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
> >> settings to maximum performance will help too.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bob Comer
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi all-
> >> >
> >> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
> >> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
> >> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
> >> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
> >> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
> >> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
> >> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
> >> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
> >> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> >> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
> >> >THANKS!
> >>
>

> >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
> >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow.
>
> Are you running VPS 2007 SP1?
>
> >I
> >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
> >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization.
>
> The slowness isn't normal, but 50% utilization is, VPC only uses one
> core and your machine is dual core, so the max that one core can be
> used is 50% of the system.
>
> >Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>
> You might try this:
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/03/27/last-resort-for-performance-issues-with-virtual-pc-on-laptops.aspx
>
> Read the whole page.
>
> >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>
> It has to use it's own kernel, as does the host OS. The kernel's just
> the base part of the OS. Kernel mode is kind of like an interrupt
> level, when in kernel mode, nothing else can interrupt the task, but
> user mode, interrupts run normally.
>
> >Thanks for your help!
>
> No problem, I hope we can get it going faster for you, 10 minute boot
> times is not the norm.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:39:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
> >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow. It takes
> >almost ten minutes boot. I cannot remember ever using a computer this slow,
> >if it wasn't running in VM I would think that the computer was frozen. I
> >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
> >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization. Control
> >panel in 7 now shows 1gb ram but now says "14046291MHZ" haha not sure what
> >that means.... Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
> > I'm doubting that it is a problem with Windows 7 since the installation took
> >so long.
> >
> >I haven't got the sound working yet but see that it is a common problem but
> >perhaps it is useful in diagnosing the problem? I havent fixed it yet
> >because its too slow to do anything with.
> >
> >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
> >
> >Thanks for your help!
> >
> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> >
> >> >How do I
> >> >install the VPC additions?
> >>
> >> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
> >> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
> >> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
> >>
> >> >Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> >> >problem?
> >>
> >> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
> >> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
> >> virtualization software better.
> >>
> >> >What's holding the performance down so much?
> >>
> >> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
> >> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
> >> time-wise in a VM.
> >>
> >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
> >>
> >> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
> >>
> >> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
> >> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bob Comer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mr. Comer,
> >> >
> >> >Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
> >> >install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> >> >problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
> >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks!
> >> >
> >> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
> >> >> settings to maximum performance will help too.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Bob Comer
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> >> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi all-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
> >> >> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
> >> >> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
> >> >> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
> >> >> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
> >> >> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
> >> >> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
> >> >> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
> >> >> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> >> >> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
> >> >> >THANKS!
> >> >>
> >>
>

> Yes I have VPS 07 SP1, good call on the single core, completely forgot about
> that. I will try the solution posted at msdn and let you know how it works.
> Thanks!
>
> I know 10 minutes isn't normal! I have several friends running 7 in VPC,
> some with only 512 ram and its lightning fast, very impressive!
>
>
> "Robert Comer" wrote:
>
> > >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
> > >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow.
> >
> > Are you running VPS 2007 SP1?
> >
> > >I
> > >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
> > >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization.
> >
> > The slowness isn't normal, but 50% utilization is, VPC only uses one
> > core and your machine is dual core, so the max that one core can be
> > used is 50% of the system.
> >
> > >Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
> >
> > You might try this:
> >
> > http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/03/27/last-resort-for-performance-issues-with-virtual-pc-on-laptops.aspx
> >
> > Read the whole page.
> >
> > >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
> >
> > It has to use it's own kernel, as does the host OS. The kernel's just
> > the base part of the OS. Kernel mode is kind of like an interrupt
> > level, when in kernel mode, nothing else can interrupt the task, but
> > user mode, interrupts run normally.
> >
> > >Thanks for your help!
> >
> > No problem, I hope we can get it going faster for you, 10 minute boot
> > times is not the norm.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Comer
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:39:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> > <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >
> > >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
> > >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow. It takes
> > >almost ten minutes boot. I cannot remember ever using a computer this slow,
> > >if it wasn't running in VM I would think that the computer was frozen. I
> > >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
> > >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization. Control
> > >panel in 7 now shows 1gb ram but now says "14046291MHZ" haha not sure what
> > >that means.... Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
> > > I'm doubting that it is a problem with Windows 7 since the installation took
> > >so long.
> > >
> > >I haven't got the sound working yet but see that it is a common problem but
> > >perhaps it is useful in diagnosing the problem? I havent fixed it yet
> > >because its too slow to do anything with.
> > >
> > >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> > >
> > >> >How do I
> > >> >install the VPC additions?
> > >>
> > >> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
> > >> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
> > >> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
> > >>
> > >> >Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> > >> >problem?
> > >>
> > >> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
> > >> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
> > >> virtualization software better.
> > >>
> > >> >What's holding the performance down so much?
> > >>
> > >> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
> > >> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
> > >> time-wise in a VM.
> > >>
> > >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> > >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
> > >>
> > >> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
> > >>
> > >> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
> > >> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bob Comer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> > >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Mr. Comer,
> > >> >
> > >> >Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
> > >> >install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
> > >> >problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
> > >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
> > >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
> > >> >
> > >> >Thanks!
> > >> >
> > >> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
> > >> >> settings to maximum performance will help too.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Bob Comer
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> > >> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Hi all-
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
> > >> >> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
> > >> >> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
> > >> >> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
> > >> >> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
> > >> >> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
> > >> >> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
> > >> >> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
> > >> >> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> > >> >> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
> > >> >> >THANKS!
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >

>Hi all-
>
>I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
>on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
>1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
>hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
>control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>THANKS!

>install the VPC additions?
>Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>problem?
>What's holding the performance down so much?
>When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>but nothing happens when I click ok.
>Mr. Comer,
>
>Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
>install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
>When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>but nothing happens when I click ok.
>
>Thanks!
>
>"Robert Comer" wrote:
>
>> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
>> settings to maximum performance will help too.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi all-
>> >
>> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
>> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
>> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
>> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
>> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
>> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>> >THANKS!
>>

>just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow.
>I
>have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization.
>Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>Thanks for your help!
>It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
>just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow. It takes
>almost ten minutes boot. I cannot remember ever using a computer this slow,
>if it wasn't running in VM I would think that the computer was frozen. I
>have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization. Control
>panel in 7 now shows 1gb ram but now says "14046291MHZ" haha not sure what
>that means.... Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
> I'm doubting that it is a problem with Windows 7 since the installation took
>so long.
>
>I haven't got the sound working yet but see that it is a common problem but
>perhaps it is useful in diagnosing the problem? I havent fixed it yet
>because its too slow to do anything with.
>
>So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>
>Thanks for your help!
>
>"Robert Comer" wrote:
>
>> >How do I
>> >install the VPC additions?
>>
>> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
>> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
>> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
>>
>> >Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>> >problem?
>>
>> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
>> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
>> virtualization software better.
>>
>> >What's holding the performance down so much?
>>
>> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
>> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
>> time-wise in a VM.
>>
>> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
>>
>> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
>>
>> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
>> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>> >Mr. Comer,
>> >
>> >Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
>> >install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>> >problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
>> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
>> >
>> >Thanks!
>> >
>> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
>> >> settings to maximum performance will help too.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bob Comer
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi all-
>> >> >
>> >> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>> >> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
>> >> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
>> >> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
>> >> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>> >> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
>> >> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>> >> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
>> >> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>> >> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>> >> >THANKS!
>> >>
>>

>Updated the appdata, saved, restarted pc (just for fun) and tried launching
>VPC again, sadly it is still incredibly slow. Control panel says I am up to
>96mhz but boot still takes as much as ten minutes. Debating bailing on this
>project and trying it on another pc unless anyone has any other ideas.
>
>Thanks.
>
>"Flyingcowrancher" wrote:
>
>> Yes I have VPS 07 SP1, good call on the single core, completely forgot about
>> that. I will try the solution posted at msdn and let you know how it works.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I know 10 minutes isn't normal! I have several friends running 7 in VPC,
>> some with only 512 ram and its lightning fast, very impressive!
>>
>>
>> "Robert Comer" wrote:
>>
>> > >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
>> > >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow.
>> >
>> > Are you running VPS 2007 SP1?
>> >
>> > >I
>> > >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>> > >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization.
>> >
>> > The slowness isn't normal, but 50% utilization is, VPC only uses one
>> > core and your machine is dual core, so the max that one core can be
>> > used is 50% of the system.
>> >
>> > >Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>> >
>> > You might try this:
>> >
>> > http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/03/27/last-resort-for-performance-issues-with-virtual-pc-on-laptops.aspx
>> >
>> > Read the whole page.
>> >
>> > >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>> >
>> > It has to use it's own kernel, as does the host OS. The kernel's just
>> > the base part of the OS. Kernel mode is kind of like an interrupt
>> > level, when in kernel mode, nothing else can interrupt the task, but
>> > user mode, interrupts run normally.
>> >
>> > >Thanks for your help!
>> >
>> > No problem, I hope we can get it going faster for you, 10 minute boot
>> > times is not the norm.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bob Comer
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:39:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> > <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> >
>> > >It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
>> > >just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow. It takes
>> > >almost ten minutes boot. I cannot remember ever using a computer this slow,
>> > >if it wasn't running in VM I would think that the computer was frozen. I
>> > >have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>> > >never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization. Control
>> > >panel in 7 now shows 1gb ram but now says "14046291MHZ" haha not sure what
>> > >that means.... Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>> > > I'm doubting that it is a problem with Windows 7 since the installation took
>> > >so long.
>> > >
>> > >I haven't got the sound working yet but see that it is a common problem but
>> > >perhaps it is useful in diagnosing the problem? I havent fixed it yet
>> > >because its too slow to do anything with.
>> > >
>> > >So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>> > >
>> > >Thanks for your help!
>> > >
>> > >"Robert Comer" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> >How do I
>> > >> >install the VPC additions?
>> > >>
>> > >> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
>> > >> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
>> > >> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
>> > >>
>> > >> >Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>> > >> >problem?
>> > >>
>> > >> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
>> > >> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
>> > >> virtualization software better.
>> > >>
>> > >> >What's holding the performance down so much?
>> > >>
>> > >> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
>> > >> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
>> > >> time-wise in a VM.
>> > >>
>> > >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>> > >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
>> > >>
>> > >> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
>> > >>
>> > >> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
>> > >> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Bob Comer
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> > >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >Mr. Comer,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
>> > >> >install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>> > >> >problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
>> > >> >When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>> > >> >but nothing happens when I click ok.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Thanks!
>> > >> >
>> > >> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
>> > >> >> settings to maximum performance will help too.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> Bob Comer
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> > >> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >Hi all-
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>> > >> >> >others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
>> > >> >> >on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
>> > >> >> >1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
>> > >> >> >hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>> > >> >> >choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
>> > >> >> >control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>> > >> >> >"AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
>> > >> >> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>> > >> >> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>> > >> >> >THANKS!
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> >installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>
> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
> Do as follows:
>
> 1) Shut down the guest completely
> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
> Vista as the type
> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
> VHD file
> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
> Virtual Machine Additions
> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
> speed (no throttling)
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>

>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?

> I selected "other" at the recommendation from an article on lifehacker.
>
> I followed your steps and selected "Vista" this time.

>Mr. Berglund,
>
>I selected "other" at the recommendation from an article on lifehacker.
>
>I followed your steps and selected "vista" this time.
>
>The machine is still super slow, boot is ~ten minutes and the mouse studders
>when I move it. Any other suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>

> Updated the appdata, saved, restarted pc (just for fun) and tried launching
> VPC again, sadly it is still incredibly slow. Control panel says I am up to
> 96mhz but boot still takes as much as ten minutes. Debating bailing on this
> project and trying it on another pc unless anyone has any other ideas.
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Flyingcowrancher" wrote:
>
>> Yes I have VPS 07 SP1, good call on the single core, completely forgot about
>> that. I will try the solution posted at msdn and let you know how it works.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> I know 10 minutes isn't normal! I have several friends running 7 in VPC,
>> some with only 512 ram and its lightning fast, very impressive!
>>
>>
>> "Robert Comer" wrote:
>>
>>>> It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
>>>> just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow.
>>> Are you running VPS 2007 SP1?
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>>>> never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization.
>>> The slowness isn't normal, but 50% utilization is, VPC only uses one
>>> core and your machine is dual core, so the max that one core can be
>>> used is 50% of the system.
>>>
>>>> Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>>> You might try this:
>>>
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2007/03/27/last-resort-for-performance-issues-with-virtual-pc-on-laptops.aspx
>>>
>>> Read the whole page.
>>>
>>>> So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>>> It has to use it's own kernel, as does the host OS. The kernel's just
>>> the base part of the OS. Kernel mode is kind of like an interrupt
>>> level, when in kernel mode, nothing else can interrupt the task, but
>>> user mode, interrupts run normally.
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>> No problem, I hope we can get it going faster for you, 10 minute boot
>>> times is not the norm.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:39:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was just extremely slow and evenchaully started the installation which
>>>> just completed. After the reboot the system is just as slow. It takes
>>>> almost ten minutes boot. I cannot remember ever using a computer this slow,
>>>> if it wasn't running in VM I would think that the computer was frozen. I
>>>> have a cpu utilization gadget running on the host OS (Vista Ultimate) which
>>>> never goes past 50% so there is plenty of untapped utilization. Control
>>>> panel in 7 now shows 1gb ram but now says "14046291MHZ" haha not sure what
>>>> that means.... Any other ideas I can do to get VPC to utilize the processor?
>>>> I'm doubting that it is a problem with Windows 7 since the installation took
>>>> so long.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't got the sound working yet but see that it is a common problem but
>>>> perhaps it is useful in diagnosing the problem? I havent fixed it yet
>>>> because its too slow to do anything with.
>>>>
>>>> So do the VM have a virtual kernel or does it access the system kernel?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Comer" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> How do I
>>>>>> install the VPC additions?
>>>>> It's in the help, but the easiest way is to pull down the action menu
>>>>> of the VM and select "Install or update Virtual Machine Additions."
>>>>> Just wait for it to autostart and follow the prompts.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>>>>>> problem?
>>>>> It's not that it "fixes" anything, but it install drivers and teaks
>>>>> some settings to make it so the OS in the VM works with the
>>>>> virtualization software better.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's holding the performance down so much?
>>>>> Drivers not optimized for the job of running in a VM and way to many
>>>>> kernel mode transitions. (kernel mode transitions are very expensive
>>>>> time-wise in a VM.
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>>>>>> but nothing happens when I click ok.
>>>>> Give it time, it sounds like it's just extremely slow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might back the RAM down to 1G, I don't think the extra is helping
>>>>> you any, at least until you get the additions installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:01 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Comer,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Power settings are already on maximum and its plugged in as well. How do I
>>>>>> install the VPC additions? Do you happen to know why additions fixes the
>>>>>> problem? What's holding the performance down so much?
>>>>>> When I click on actions -> install additions it says it will run it as a cd
>>>>>> but nothing happens when I click ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Robert Comer" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to install the VPC additions. Setting your laptops power
>>>>>>> settings to maximum performance will help too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>>>>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>>>>>>>> others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
>>>>>>>> on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
>>>>>>>> 1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
>>>>>>>> hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>>>>>>>> choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
>>>>>>>> control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>>>>>>>> "AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
>>>>>>>> processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>>>>>> installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>>>>>>> THANKS!

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>
> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
> Do as follows:
>
> 1) Shut down the guest completely
> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
> Vista as the type
> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
> VHD file
> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
> Virtual Machine Additions
> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
> speed (no throttling)
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)

>
>
> "Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>
>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>> Do as follows:
>>
>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>> Vista as the type
>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>> VHD file
>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>> Virtual Machine Additions
>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>> speed (no throttling)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>
> why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is running
> at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core 2
> processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of
> another gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on
> battery- it is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took
> forever (almost an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the
> desktop the whole thing took about 30 minutes
>
> My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as
> the host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7
> (32bit) runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu
> usage.
>
> Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a program?
> When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>
> Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact
> iso that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
> suggestions should I try?
>
> thanks
> robin
>
>
>
>

>
>
>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>
>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>> Do as follows:
>>
>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>> Vista as the type
>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>> VHD file
>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>> Virtual Machine Additions
>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>> speed (no throttling)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>
>why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is running
>at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core 2
>processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of another
>gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on battery- it
>is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took forever (almost
>an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the desktop the whole
>thing took about 30 minutes
>
>My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as the
>host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7 (32bit)
>runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu usage.
>
>Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a program?
>When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>
>Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact iso
>that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
>suggestions should I try?
>
>thanks
>robin
>

>
>
>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:39 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>>>
>>>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>>>> Do as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>>>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>>>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>>>> Vista as the type
>>>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>>>> VHD file
>>>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>>>> Virtual Machine Additions
>>>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>>>> speed (no throttling)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>>
>>>why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is running
>>>at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core 2
>>>processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of
>>>another
>>>gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on battery-
>>>it
>>>is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took forever (almost
>>>an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the desktop the
>>>whole
>>>thing took about 30 minutes
>>>
>>>My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as
>>>the
>>>host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7 (32bit)
>>>runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu usage.
>>>
>>>Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a program?
>>>When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>>>
>>>Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact
>>>iso
>>>that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
>>>suggestions should I try?
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>robin
>>>
>>
>> Generally, laptops are going to be slower than a desktop. Slower CPU,
>> bus, RAM, disk speeds, etc.
>> Also, most laptops are designed with power consumption in mind and
>> have CPU throttling schemes to lower power usage.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>
>that is terrible because I want to be able to show a peek of windows 7 at
>the seminars I give. I wish there was a way just to lower the cpu usage of
>the vm running windows 7, because it sits at 100% when you open anything, it
>is not bad if I minimize the vm and go back to vista- I have the virtual pc
>set to give back the cpu to the host when minimized- this way at least I can
>go back and forth to show them some of the differences, I just cannot load
>any programs on windows 7 on the laptop- right now it only has a avg program
>just to protect it but nothing else. I guess I will have to only use the
>desktop to test and learn windows 7 more.
>
>robin

> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:39 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>>
>>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>>> Do as follows:
>>>
>>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>>> Vista as the type
>>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>>> VHD file
>>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>>> Virtual Machine Additions
>>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>>> speed (no throttling)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>
>>why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is running
>>at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core 2
>>processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of
>>another
>>gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on battery-
>>it
>>is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took forever (almost
>>an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the desktop the
>>whole
>>thing took about 30 minutes
>>
>>My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as
>>the
>>host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7 (32bit)
>>runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu usage.
>>
>>Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a program?
>>When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>>
>>Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact
>>iso
>>that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
>>suggestions should I try?
>>
>>thanks
>>robin
>>
>
> Generally, laptops are going to be slower than a desktop. Slower CPU,
> bus, RAM, disk speeds, etc.
> Also, most laptops are designed with power consumption in mind and
> have CPU throttling schemes to lower power usage.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:21:13 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:39 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>>>>
>>>>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>>>>> Do as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>>>>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>>>>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>>>>> Vista as the type
>>>>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>>>>> VHD file
>>>>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>>>>> Virtual Machine Additions
>>>>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>>>>> speed (no throttling)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>>>
>>>>why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is
>>>>running
>>>>at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core
>>>>2
>>>>processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of
>>>>another
>>>>gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on battery-
>>>>it
>>>>is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took forever
>>>>(almost
>>>>an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the desktop the
>>>>whole
>>>>thing took about 30 minutes
>>>>
>>>>My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as
>>>>the
>>>>host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7 (32bit)
>>>>runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu usage.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a
>>>>program?
>>>>When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>>>>
>>>>Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact
>>>>iso
>>>>that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
>>>>suggestions should I try?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>robin
>>>>
>>>
>>> Generally, laptops are going to be slower than a desktop. Slower CPU,
>>> bus, RAM, disk speeds, etc.
>>> Also, most laptops are designed with power consumption in mind and
>>> have CPU throttling schemes to lower power usage.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>>> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>>
>>that is terrible because I want to be able to show a peek of windows 7 at
>>the seminars I give. I wish there was a way just to lower the cpu usage of
>>the vm running windows 7, because it sits at 100% when you open anything,
>>it
>>is not bad if I minimize the vm and go back to vista- I have the virtual
>>pc
>>set to give back the cpu to the host when minimized- this way at least I
>>can
>>go back and forth to show them some of the differences, I just cannot load
>>any programs on windows 7 on the laptop- right now it only has a avg
>>program
>>just to protect it but nothing else. I guess I will have to only use the
>>desktop to test and learn windows 7 more.
>>
>>robin
>
> The only real option for faster Win7 in a VM is to use a CPU with
> hardware virtualization support.
> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2009/01/13/windows-7-on-virtual-pc-on-windows-7.aspx
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:21:13 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:39 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0800, Flyingcowrancher
>>>>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>>>>>installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>>>>
>>>>> BIG mistake! You should have selected "Vista" as the type!
>>>>> Do as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Shut down the guest completely
>>>>> 2) Delete its VMC file (keep the VHD)
>>>>> 3) From the VPC2007 console create a new guest and this time select
>>>>> Vista as the type
>>>>> 4) When you come to the hard disk, choose existing and browse to your
>>>>> VHD file
>>>>> 5) Start up the guest again and then from the action menu install the
>>>>> Virtual Machine Additions
>>>>> 6) Make sure that all host system power settings etc are set for full
>>>>> speed (no throttling)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>>>
>>>>why is it on my laptop Windows 7 (32bit) as the guest in the vm is
>>>>running
>>>>at 100% cpu usage whenever you click on a program? it is on a dual core
>>>>2
>>>>processor 1.8mhz- 2gigs of memory (I am waiting for the delivery of
>>>>another
>>>>gig for the host-vista) on a 160gig hd. I am not running it on battery-
>>>>it
>>>>is connected through the electrical adapter. Also it took forever
>>>>(almost
>>>>an hr and a half) to load Windows 7 on the vm when on the desktop the
>>>>whole
>>>>thing took about 30 minutes
>>>>
>>>>My desktop which is running vista home premium sp1 same as the laptop as
>>>>the
>>>>host-2gigs memory- amd +64dual processor 160hd running windows 7 (32bit)
>>>>runs much faster (when clicking on a program it is about 35% cpu usage.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway to fix the laptop in the vm to use less cpu when opening a
>>>>program?
>>>>When it is idling it is using about 30% cpu?
>>>>
>>>>Would removing the vm and starting all over fix this? I used the exact
>>>>iso
>>>>that I used on the desktop just with a different key. or what other
>>>>suggestions should I try?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>robin
>>>>
>>>
>>> Generally, laptops are going to be slower than a desktop. Slower CPU,
>>> bus, RAM, disk speeds, etc.
>>> Also, most laptops are designed with power consumption in mind and
>>> have CPU throttling schemes to lower power usage.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>>> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>>
>>that is terrible because I want to be able to show a peek of windows 7 at
>>the seminars I give. I wish there was a way just to lower the cpu usage of
>>the vm running windows 7, because it sits at 100% when you open anything,
>>it
>>is not bad if I minimize the vm and go back to vista- I have the virtual
>>pc
>>set to give back the cpu to the host when minimized- this way at least I
>>can
>>go back and forth to show them some of the differences, I just cannot load
>>any programs on windows 7 on the laptop- right now it only has a avg
>>program
>>just to protect it but nothing else. I guess I will have to only use the
>>desktop to test and learn windows 7 more.
>>
>>robin
>
> The only real option for faster Win7 in a VM is to use a CPU with
> hardware virtualization support.
> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2009/01/13/windows-7-on-virtual-pc-on-windows-7.aspx
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

> "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> The only real option for faster Win7 in a VM is to use a CPU with
>>> hardware virtualization support.
>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2009/01/13/windows-7-on-virtual-pc-on-windows-7.aspx
>>
>> How come this laptop which is suppose to be better than my desktop has no
>> hardware virtualization support?
>
> If it doesn't, it's because the manufacturer of the motherboard didn't
> include it - it's not compulsory... My laptop doesn't have it...
>
>> Is it something you turn on?
>
> Yes - typically in the BIOS...
>
>> It has a 128mb nvidia geforce 8400 gs card
>
> Irrelevant - hardware virtualisation if a function of the CPU, nothing to
> do with the graphics card...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>

>> The only real option for faster Win7 in a VM is to use a CPU with
>> hardware virtualization support.
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2009/01/13/windows-7-on-virtual-pc-on-windows-7.aspx
>
> How come this laptop which is suppose to be better than my desktop has no
> hardware virtualization support?
> Is it something you turn on?
> It has a 128mb nvidia geforce 8400 gs card

> "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Will it mess up the laptop if I run Windows 7 in the vm even though I do
>> not have hardware virtualization.
>
> Once again, Virtual PC is just an application. It's just a piece of
> software.
>
> Running it will no more "mess up" your laptop than will running any other
> piece of software...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>

> "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Also since it is in the BIOS
>
> Hardware virtualisation isn't "in the BIOS" - it's a function of the CPU
> and/or motherboard... If the system supports hardware virtualisation, it
> is typically switched on or off in the BIOS...
>
>> Is it possible that Dell could make a compatible BIOS update to turn
>> hardware virtualization on in the motherboard or does the motherboard
>> have to come with virtualization first?
>
> No amount of BIOS updates can switch on hardware virtualisation on a
> system which doesn't support it in the first place...
>
> What does your laptop's manual say about hardware virtualisation...?
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net

> Will it mess up the laptop if I run Windows 7 in the vm even though I do
> not have hardware virtualization.

> Also since it is in the BIOS
> Is it possible that Dell could make a compatible BIOS update to turn
> hardware virtualization on in the motherboard or does the motherboard have
> to come with virtualization first?

> Hi all-
>
> I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
> others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is installed on
> on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the VPC
> 1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about 12
> hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
> choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into the
> control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
> "AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of the
> processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
> installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
> THANKS!

> SOLVED!
>
> Hi guys, so this was a very silly problem. Deep inside of the bios
> advanced
> setting was an option for "virtualization" which was disabled (the
> default),
> enabling virtualization allows the processor to be optimized for virtual
> machines and performance was incredible after a quick reboot. Thanks for
> all
> the help. For anyone else struggling with an HP computer, check your
> BIOS!
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
>
>
>
> "Flyingcowrancher" wrote:
>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after seeing
>> others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is
>> installed on
>> on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave the
>> VPC
>> 1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took about
>> 12
>> hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>> choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into
>> the
>> control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed is
>> "AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of
>> the
>> processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>> installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>> THANKS!

>
>
> "Flyingcowrancher" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
> message news:(email address - cut out)...
>> SOLVED!
>>
>> Hi guys, so this was a very silly problem. Deep inside of the bios
>> advanced
>> setting was an option for "virtualization" which was disabled (the
>> default),
>> enabling virtualization allows the processor to be optimized for virtual
>> machines and performance was incredible after a quick reboot. Thanks for
>> all
>> the help. For anyone else struggling with an HP computer, check your
>> BIOS!
>>
>> Thanks again!
>
> Dell checked, and as you see Steve checked and I actually went into the
> bios myself and checked but there is no advanced settings for
> virtualization because it doesn't support it in the first place. But at
> least you got yours running :)
> robin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Flyingcowrancher" wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all-
>>>
>>> I decided to install windows 7 beta on a vpc to play with it after
>>> seeing
>>> others do it but the performance is incredibly slow. The VPC is
>>> installed on
>>> on a AMD Turion 64 x2 tl-58 1.90ghz processor and 4gb of ram. I gave
>>> the VPC
>>> 1.5gb of ram and 30 gigs of hard drive. The Windows 7 install took
>>> about 12
>>> hours to complete! Start up is fast but even moving the mouse around is
>>> choppy and open the start menu takes at least 5 seconds. When I go into
>>> the
>>> control panel 7 says I have 1.5gbs of ram but that the processor speed
>>> is
>>> "AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 6MHz. How do I give more of
>>> the
>>> processor to the VPC? I have the latest version of VPC with SP1 and
>>> installed windows 7 as "other" How do I increase the processor clock?
>>> THANKS!
>

>
>
> "cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> > Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
> > running
> > pretty fast!
>
> since windows 7 needs hardware virtualization when installing it into
> virtualbox without this, did it still run fine? or at least did not use all
> the cpu usage. Reason I am asking is I am still having this problem with my
> laptop and would like to try to put windows 7 into virtualbox only if it
> runs fine without hardware virtualization because my laptop doesn't have it.
>
> robin
>

> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
> running
> pretty fast!

> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
> running
> pretty fast!

>
> It worked just fine, my laptop does not have hardware visualization. Got
> it
> to work on Microsoft Virtual PC too after installing additions, but it is
> still very slow. To run in in VirtualBox, you need to download the new
> version 2.1.2, it has a windows 7 mode.
> Install also additions to be able to use share folders. Use Windows direct
> sound to be able to listen to music !
> Hope this helps
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> > Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
>> > running
>> > pretty fast!
>>
>> since windows 7 needs hardware virtualization when installing it into
>> virtualbox without this, did it still run fine? or at least did not use
>> all
>> the cpu usage. Reason I am asking is I am still having this problem with
>> my
>> laptop and would like to try to put windows 7 into virtualbox only if it
>> runs fine without hardware virtualization because my laptop doesn't have
>> it.
>>
>> robin
>>

>
>
>"cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
>> running
>> pretty fast!
>
>and can virtualbox run along side of virtualpc? without any conflicts?
>robin

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:14:52 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
>>> running
>>> pretty fast!
>>
>>and can virtualbox run along side of virtualpc? without any conflicts?
>>robin
>
> If Hardware Virtualization is used then no two virtualization systems
> can run at the same time...
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)

>
>
>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:14:52 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
>>>> running
>>>> pretty fast!
>>>
>>>and can virtualbox run along side of virtualpc? without any conflicts?
>>>robin
>>
>> If Hardware Virtualization is used then no two virtualization systems
>> can run at the same time...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>
>bo I was not going to run them together, but I did install it and found that
>windows 7 runs better in it than virutal pc on this laptop. I still have
>vpc installed on the desktop and that runs fine because it has hardware
>virtulaztion so I just left it on that one.
>

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:08:10 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:14:52 -0500, "robinb" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"cornel" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>>> Same problem, no tweaking helped. I then tried VirtualBox, now it's
>>>>> running
>>>>> pretty fast!
>>>>
>>>>and can virtualbox run along side of virtualpc? without any conflicts?
>>>>robin
>>>
>>> If Hardware Virtualization is used then no two virtualization systems
>>> can run at the same time...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>
>>bo I was not going to run them together, but I did install it and found
>>that
>>windows 7 runs better in it than virutal pc on this laptop. I still have
>>vpc installed on the desktop and that runs fine because it has hardware
>>virtulaztion so I just left it on that one.
>>
>
> You *did* say "run along side", which to me means that they are *both*
> running at the same time....
>
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)