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How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 07/19/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
instruction or don't understand.

Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but cannot
seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual PC
in the first place.

Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
system.

I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.

So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and use
it to run the 64 bit program.

Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start I
get an MSDOS black secreen.

I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.

If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to my
documents.

Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?

Maybe it is this simple ?

Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.

Thanks for your help.

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RE: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: JosR
Message:

Steven

The general way to act is:
1. Install Virtual PC as a normal application in your Windows environment
(you have probably done this)
2. Run Virtual PC and create a virtual machine (and a virtual hard disk);
this you have done also, I think.
3. Start the virtual machine and install a Windiows OS on this machine.
4. Install and run the 16 bit program.

My guess is that you did not perform steps 3 and 4.

HTH,
Jos

"stevemalee" wrote:

Show quoted text

> This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
> instruction or don't understand.
>
> Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but cannot
> seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual PC
> in the first place.
>
> Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
> instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
> system.
>
> I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
>
> So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and use
> it to run the 64 bit program.
>
> Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start I
> get an MSDOS black secreen.
>
> I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
>
> If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to my
> documents.
>
> Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
>
> Maybe it is this simple ?
>
> Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
>
> Thanks for your help.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: "John D. Sheridan" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

You have to install an operating system on the virtual machine, it doesn't
come with one. What you install depends on what you're trying to do.

"Capture an ISO" is for using a image file of a CD, made with the
appropriate program, instead of an actual CD. The virtual machine will see
it as a CD and use it accordingly. The file would have a name that ends in
"ISO".

It is all explained in the "Help" menu in the Virtual PC Console, which is
way more helpful than the installation notes. Click on the Help menu item,
choose "Virtual PC Help". Click on the plus signs to open down to Virtual
PC->How To Help for Virtual PC->Set Up Virtual Machines->Install Operating
System. You will need a CD with the operating system you want to install,
and it really should be a legal copy, but that's up to you. All of the
legalities that apply to physical PCs apply to Virtual PCs as well.

Once you have the operating system installed, you can install whatever
program you want to run on it. It's easiest to install from a CD, but it
can be done from the hard drive. It's a little trickier because the virtual
machine doesn't have access to the host machine's hard drive without
creating a shared folder, the process for which is explained in the help as
well, under "Virtual Machine Additions".

With all due respect, your Microsoft employee friend really should have
explained all of this instead of just saying, "here use this".

John

Show quoted text

> This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
> instruction or don't understand.
>
> Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
> cannot
> seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual
> PC
> in the first place.
>
> Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
> instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
> system.
>
> I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
>
> So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
> use
> it to run the 64 bit program.
>
> Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start
> I
> get an MSDOS black secreen.
>
> I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
>
> If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to
> my
> documents.
>
> Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
>
> Maybe it is this simple ?
>
> Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
>
> Thanks for your help.

RE: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

Thanks, I stupidly thought that the XP would be automatic install when I
checked the box that said what OS do you want.

Now, do have old XP CD, but since is not in original sleeve, and I cannot
find where I put the information, again very stupid.

So, have to find out how to solve this problem.

And, when "help" tells you to "reboot" -- does that mean close down the
Virtual PC and then open again ?

"JosR" wrote:

Show quoted text

> Steven
>
> The general way to act is:
> 1. Install Virtual PC as a normal application in your Windows environment
> (you have probably done this)
> 2. Run Virtual PC and create a virtual machine (and a virtual hard disk);
> this you have done also, I think.
> 3. Start the virtual machine and install a Windiows OS on this machine.
> 4. Install and run the 16 bit program.
>
> My guess is that you did not perform steps 3 and 4.
>
> HTH,
> Jos
>
> "stevemalee" wrote:
>
> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
> > instruction or don't understand.
> >
> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but cannot
> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual PC
> > in the first place.
> >
> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
> > system.
> >
> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
> >
> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and use
> > it to run the 64 bit program.
> >
> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start I
> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
> >
> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
> >
> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to my
> > documents.
> >
> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
> >
> > Maybe it is this simple ?
> >
> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

Thanks for your detailed instructions for the Virtual PC Help.

My MS friend did say he would help me. I was just trying to save him the
time.
Obviously, I cannot do this on my own.

"John D. Sheridan" wrote:

Show quoted text

>
> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
> > instruction or don't understand.
> >
> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
> > cannot
> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual
> > PC
> > in the first place.
> >
> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
> > system.
> >
> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
> >
> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
> > use
> > it to run the 64 bit program.
> >
> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start
> > I
> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
> >
> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
> >
> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to
> > my
> > documents.
> >
> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
> >
> > Maybe it is this simple ?
> >
> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
>
> You have to install an operating system on the virtual machine, it doesn't
> come with one. What you install depends on what you're trying to do.
>
> "Capture an ISO" is for using a image file of a CD, made with the
> appropriate program, instead of an actual CD. The virtual machine will see
> it as a CD and use it accordingly. The file would have a name that ends in
> "ISO".
>
> It is all explained in the "Help" menu in the Virtual PC Console, which is
> way more helpful than the installation notes. Click on the Help menu item,
> choose "Virtual PC Help". Click on the plus signs to open down to Virtual
> PC->How To Help for Virtual PC->Set Up Virtual Machines->Install Operating
> System. You will need a CD with the operating system you want to install,
> and it really should be a legal copy, but that's up to you. All of the
> legalities that apply to physical PCs apply to Virtual PCs as well.
>
> Once you have the operating system installed, you can install whatever
> program you want to run on it. It's easiest to install from a CD, but it
> can be done from the hard drive. It's a little trickier because the virtual
> machine doesn't have access to the host machine's hard drive without
> creating a shared folder, the process for which is explained in the help as
> well, under "Virtual Machine Additions".
>
> With all due respect, your Microsoft employee friend really should have
> explained all of this instead of just saying, "here use this".
>
> John
>
>
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

It means use the Action menu on the virtual machine window and choose Reset
(or sometimes Ctrl-Alt-Del). There is also an Action menu on the VPC
console, but don't use that one.

Show quoted text

> Thanks, I stupidly thought that the XP would be automatic install when I
> checked the box that said what OS do you want.
>
> Now, do have old XP CD, but since is not in original sleeve, and I cannot
> find where I put the information, again very stupid.
>
> So, have to find out how to solve this problem.
>
> And, when "help" tells you to "reboot" -- does that mean close down the
> Virtual PC and then open again ?
>
> "JosR" wrote:
>
>> Steven
>>
>> The general way to act is:
>> 1. Install Virtual PC as a normal application in your Windows environment
>> (you have probably done this)
>> 2. Run Virtual PC and create a virtual machine (and a virtual hard disk);
>> this you have done also, I think.
>> 3. Start the virtual machine and install a Windiows OS on this machine.
>> 4. Install and run the 16 bit program.
>>
>> My guess is that you did not perform steps 3 and 4.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Jos
>>
>> "stevemalee" wrote:
>>
>> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
>> > instruction or don't understand.
>> >
>> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
>> > cannot
>> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the
>> > Virtual PC
>> > in the first place.
>> >
>> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at
>> > that
>> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
>> > system.
>> >
>> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64
>> > bit.
>> >
>> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
>> > use
>> > it to run the 64 bit program.
>> >
>> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on
>> > Start I
>> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
>> >
>> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to
>> > work.
>> >
>> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me
>> > to my
>> > documents.
>> >
>> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
>> >
>> > Maybe it is this simple ?
>> >
>> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: "Colin Barnhorst" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

If you just think of the virtual machine as another computer and not some
special program in Windows you should get the hang of it OK.

Show quoted text

> Thanks for your detailed instructions for the Virtual PC Help.
>
> My MS friend did say he would help me. I was just trying to save him the
> time.
> Obviously, I cannot do this on my own.
>
>
> "John D. Sheridan" wrote:
>
>>
>> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
>> > instruction or don't understand.
>> >
>> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
>> > cannot
>> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the
>> > Virtual
>> > PC
>> > in the first place.
>> >
>> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at
>> > that
>> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
>> > system.
>> >
>> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64
>> > bit.
>> >
>> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
>> > use
>> > it to run the 64 bit program.
>> >
>> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on
>> > Start
>> > I
>> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
>> >
>> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to
>> > work.
>> >
>> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me
>> > to
>> > my
>> > documents.
>> >
>> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
>> >
>> > Maybe it is this simple ?
>> >
>> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.
>>
>> You have to install an operating system on the virtual machine, it
>> doesn't
>> come with one. What you install depends on what you're trying to do.
>>
>> "Capture an ISO" is for using a image file of a CD, made with the
>> appropriate program, instead of an actual CD. The virtual machine will
>> see
>> it as a CD and use it accordingly. The file would have a name that ends
>> in
>> "ISO".
>>
>> It is all explained in the "Help" menu in the Virtual PC Console, which
>> is
>> way more helpful than the installation notes. Click on the Help menu
>> item,
>> choose "Virtual PC Help". Click on the plus signs to open down to
>> Virtual
>> PC->How To Help for Virtual PC->Set Up Virtual Machines->Install
>> Operating
>> System. You will need a CD with the operating system you want to
>> install,
>> and it really should be a legal copy, but that's up to you. All of the
>> legalities that apply to physical PCs apply to Virtual PCs as well.
>>
>> Once you have the operating system installed, you can install whatever
>> program you want to run on it. It's easiest to install from a CD, but it
>> can be done from the hard drive. It's a little trickier because the
>> virtual
>> machine doesn't have access to the host machine's hard drive without
>> creating a shared folder, the process for which is explained in the help
>> as
>> well, under "Virtual Machine Additions".
>>
>> With all due respect, your Microsoft employee friend really should have
>> explained all of this instead of just saying, "here use this".
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/19/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Microsoft Virtual PC is a piece of software for creating and running virtual
machines. A virtual machine is, as it's name suggests, a computer made from
software which behaves exactly like a physical computer. Just like a
physical computer, a virtual machine's hard disk is completely blank when
it's first created.

So, when you first create a virtual machine and start it up, it tells you
that it needs an operating system to boot from, just like a physical
computer. FWIW, the screen you're looking at isn't MSDOS - it's the virtual
machine's BIOS...

No - you're supposed to insert the CD of the operating system that you want
to install on the new virtual machine... Then reboot the virtual machine to
start the installation process.

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Show quoted text

> Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start
> I
> get an MSDOS black secreen.
>
> I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
> Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

Thanks, Face, for your explanations.

I did find a product ID on the bottom of my XP laptop, but it was XP Pro,
and the CD Retail Home Version was for an earlier XP for an earlier computer
I no longer have.

Anyway, the Virtual PC said the product ID was not valid

I did look on the MS XP help page re: what to do when you lose the product
ID and did not find to what you are referring: "You will find numerous XP
keys on the net."

Will you point me in the correct direction to find the product ID numbers?

Thanks so much.

"FACE" wrote:

Show quoted text

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:10:01 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> stevemalee <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
> >Thanks for your detailed instructions for the Virtual PC Help.
> >
> >My MS friend did say he would help me. I was just trying to save him the
> >time.
> >Obviously, I cannot do this on my own.
>
> I would differ with you here -- obviously you can do this. Lose fear of
> it. It really is straightforward.
>
> Quite understandable that you thought that the MS Virtual PC 2007 (VPC)
> would "create" an OS when it asked you which OS you wanted. Think of that
> in the way it is meant -- for which OS should VPC create parameters to
> receive.
>
> You say that you did not have the original CD sleeve for XP, and I will
> guess that means that you don't have the registration code that came with
> it. Consider that the registration code belongs to the OS and not that
> particular CD. You will find numerous XP keys on the net.
>
> FACE
>
> >
> >
> >"John D. Sheridan" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> >> news:(email address - cut out)...
> >> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
> >> > instruction or don't understand.
> >> >
> >> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
> >> > cannot
> >> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual
> >> > PC
> >> > in the first place.
> >> >
> >> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
> >> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
> >> > system.
> >> >
> >> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
> >> >
> >> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
> >> > use
> >> > it to run the 64 bit program.
> >> >
> >> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start
> >> > I
> >> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
> >> >
> >> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
> >> >
> >> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to
> >> > my
> >> > documents.
> >> >
> >> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe it is this simple ?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> You have to install an operating system on the virtual machine, it doesn't
> >> come with one. What you install depends on what you're trying to do.
> >>
> >> "Capture an ISO" is for using a image file of a CD, made with the
> >> appropriate program, instead of an actual CD. The virtual machine will see
> >> it as a CD and use it accordingly. The file would have a name that ends in
> >> "ISO".
> >>
> >> It is all explained in the "Help" menu in the Virtual PC Console, which is
> >> way more helpful than the installation notes. Click on the Help menu item,
> >> choose "Virtual PC Help". Click on the plus signs to open down to Virtual
> >> PC->How To Help for Virtual PC->Set Up Virtual Machines->Install Operating
> >> System. You will need a CD with the operating system you want to install,
> >> and it really should be a legal copy, but that's up to you. All of the
> >> legalities that apply to physical PCs apply to Virtual PCs as well.
> >>
> >> Once you have the operating system installed, you can install whatever
> >> program you want to run on it. It's easiest to install from a CD, but it
> >> can be done from the hard drive. It's a little trickier because the virtual
> >> machine doesn't have access to the host machine's hard drive without
> >> creating a shared folder, the process for which is explained in the help as
> >> well, under "Virtual Machine Additions".
> >>
> >> With all due respect, your Microsoft employee friend really should have
> >> explained all of this instead of just saying, "here use this".
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

How would I install on Virtual PC the XP Pro from my old computer from
which I did find the product ID on the bottom of the machine ?

Being that I do not have a CD for that XP program since it was an OEM
installation when I purchased the machine.

Is there a way to do this -- it seems that I did read of this possibility

"Mark Rae [MVP]" wrote:

Show quoted text

> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > I did find a product ID on the bottom of my XP laptop, but it was XP Pro,
> > and the CD Retail Home Version was for an earlier XP for an earlier
> > computer
> > I no longer have.
> >
> > Anyway, the Virtual PC said the product ID was not valid
>
> Just for clarification, Virtual PC didn't actually say that - XP home did,
> because.you were trying to use an XP Pro key in an XP Home installation...
> XP, like almost all other operating systems, has no idea that it's being
> installed on a virtual machine and not a physical machine...
>
> > I did look on the MS XP help page re: what to do when you lose the product
> > ID and did not find to what you are referring: "You will find numerous
> > XP
> > keys on the net."
> >
> > Will you point me in the correct direction to find the product ID numbers?
>
> There are loads of websites where you can find pirate / stolen registration
> keys - I'm assuming that FACE wasn't referring to these...
>
> Alternatively, you should be able to purchase a licence for XP fairly
> cheaply from eBay or similar...
>
> And, while we're on the subject of licensing, all Microsoft software (with
> very few exceptions) considers a virtual machine exactly the same as a
> physical machine when it comes to licensing. Which is to say that if you
> purchase an XP licence you can only use it for one installation of XP...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

So, Ebay is my only place to go ?

I was directed to phone help by MS XP help page, do you think they would
give me a product ID ?

Thanks again.

"Mark Rae [MVP]" wrote:

Show quoted text

> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > How would I install on Virtual PC the XP Pro from my old computer from
> > which I did find the product ID on the bottom of the machine ?
>
> Legally, you'd need to wipe it from your old computer first...
>
> > Being that I do not have a CD for that XP program since it was an OEM
> > installation when I purchased the machine.
>
> Ah, in that case, you're out of luck... As mentioned, a virtual machine is
> exactly the same as a physical machine - they both need a CD to install
> Windows from... The only exception is that a virtual machine, being nothing
> more than software, can mount an .iso image of a Windows CD and treat it
> like physical media...
>
> However, chances are that your OEM copy wouldn't install on a virtual
> machine anyway. An OEM copy, by its very nature, is customised slightly to
> so that it will install only on the hardware for with which it was
> originally bundled. It will see a virtual machine as completely different...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:10:01 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
stevemalee <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

I would differ with you here -- obviously you can do this. Lose fear of
it. It really is straightforward.

Quite understandable that you thought that the MS Virtual PC 2007 (VPC)
would "create" an OS when it asked you which OS you wanted. Think of that
in the way it is meant -- for which OS should VPC create parameters to
receive.

You say that you did not have the original CD sleeve for XP, and I will
guess that means that you don't have the registration code that came with
it. Consider that the registration code belongs to the OS and not that
particular CD. You will find numerous XP keys on the net.

FACE

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>Thanks for your detailed instructions for the Virtual PC Help.
>
>My MS friend did say he would help me. I was just trying to save him the
>time.
>Obviously, I cannot do this on my own.
>
>
>"John D. Sheridan" wrote:
>
>>
>> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> > This is a very basic question, but somehow I am missing an important
>> > instruction or don't understand.
>> >
>> > Have installed the operating system and read all the help notes, but
>> > cannot
>> > seem to find how to install the program for which I downloaded the Virtual
>> > PC
>> > in the first place.
>> >
>> > Thinking maybe and "addition" is supposed to be a program I looked at that
>> > instruction, but no that seems to be something to do with the operating
>> > system.
>> >
>> > I have a program that is written in 16 bit and won't run on Vista 64 bit.
>> >
>> > So I was told by a Microsoft employee friend to download Virtual PC and
>> > use
>> > it to run the 64 bit program.
>> >
>> > Now I have the Virtual PC Console on my desktop, and when I click on Start
>> > I
>> > get an MSDOS black secreen.
>> >
>> > I can't do anything on the MSDOS screen and no other button seems to work.
>> >
>> > If I click on the CD icon and click on "capture ISO etc " it takes me to
>> > my
>> > documents.
>> >
>> > Am I supposed to go to My computer, CD, and then load the program ?
>> >
>> > Maybe it is this simple ?
>> >
>> > Sorry to be so verbose, but this is quite frustrating.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.
>>
>> You have to install an operating system on the virtual machine, it doesn't
>> come with one. What you install depends on what you're trying to do.
>>
>> "Capture an ISO" is for using a image file of a CD, made with the
>> appropriate program, instead of an actual CD. The virtual machine will see
>> it as a CD and use it accordingly. The file would have a name that ends in
>> "ISO".
>>
>> It is all explained in the "Help" menu in the Virtual PC Console, which is
>> way more helpful than the installation notes. Click on the Help menu item,
>> choose "Virtual PC Help". Click on the plus signs to open down to Virtual
>> PC->How To Help for Virtual PC->Set Up Virtual Machines->Install Operating
>> System. You will need a CD with the operating system you want to install,
>> and it really should be a legal copy, but that's up to you. All of the
>> legalities that apply to physical PCs apply to Virtual PCs as well.
>>
>> Once you have the operating system installed, you can install whatever
>> program you want to run on it. It's easiest to install from a CD, but it
>> can be done from the hard drive. It's a little trickier because the virtual
>> machine doesn't have access to the host machine's hard drive without
>> creating a shared folder, the process for which is explained in the help as
>> well, under "Virtual Machine Additions".
>>
>> With all due respect, your Microsoft employee friend really should have
>> explained all of this instead of just saying, "here use this".
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Just for clarification, Virtual PC didn't actually say that - XP home did,
because.you were trying to use an XP Pro key in an XP Home installation...
XP, like almost all other operating systems, has no idea that it's being
installed on a virtual machine and not a physical machine...

There are loads of websites where you can find pirate / stolen registration
keys - I'm assuming that FACE wasn't referring to these...

Alternatively, you should be able to purchase a licence for XP fairly
cheaply from eBay or similar...

And, while we're on the subject of licensing, all Microsoft software (with
very few exceptions) considers a virtual machine exactly the same as a
physical machine when it comes to licensing. Which is to say that if you
purchase an XP licence you can only use it for one installation of XP...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> I did find a product ID on the bottom of my XP laptop, but it was XP Pro,
> and the CD Retail Home Version was for an earlier XP for an earlier
> computer
> I no longer have.
>
> Anyway, the Virtual PC said the product ID was not valid
> I did look on the MS XP help page re: what to do when you lose the product
> ID and did not find to what you are referring: "You will find numerous
> XP
> keys on the net."
>
> Will you point me in the correct direction to find the product ID numbers?

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Legally, you'd need to wipe it from your old computer first...

Ah, in that case, you're out of luck... As mentioned, a virtual machine is
exactly the same as a physical machine - they both need a CD to install
Windows from... The only exception is that a virtual machine, being nothing
more than software, can mount an .iso image of a Windows CD and treat it
like physical media...

However, chances are that your OEM copy wouldn't install on a virtual
machine anyway. An OEM copy, by its very nature, is customised slightly to
so that it will install only on the hardware for with which it was
originally bundled. It will see a virtual machine as completely different...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> How would I install on Virtual PC the XP Pro from my old computer from
> which I did find the product ID on the bottom of the machine ?
> Being that I do not have a CD for that XP program since it was an OEM
> installation when I purchased the machine.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: Paul Adare - MVP <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:36:25 -0600, Colin Barnhorst wrote:

Please do us all a favour if you're going to post a two line response,
please trim extraneous quoted text first.

Thanks.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
If a program is useless, it must be documented.

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> If you just think of the virtual machine as another computer and not some
> special program in Windows you should get the hang of it OK.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Unless you can find anywhere still selling XP...

Alternatively, a TechNet or MSDN subscription would allow you to download a
copy of XP and use it as many times as you like so long as it's for
development, testing or demonstration purposes...

I don't know, but I'd be amazed if they did. Why should they...?

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> So, eBay is my only place to go ?
> I was directed to phone help by MS XP help page, do you think they would
> give me a product ID?

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: Paul Adare - MVP <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:45:50 -0300, FACE wrote:

Which is really bad advice and is a clear violation of the licensing terms.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
Multitasking = screwing up several things at once.

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> You will find numerous XP keys on the net.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/20/2008
From: "John D. Sheridan" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"FACE" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Which may be and probably will be deactivated before you have a chance to
use them, resulting in a failure to activate Windows.

Not to mention being illegal and all that.

As for keygens......think virus.

John

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>
> You will find numerous XP keys on the net.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/21/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

Well, I really goofed, and I apologize for wasting your time.

What I needed was the product key, not the product ID -- really got mixed up.

But, MS DID GIVE ME THE PRODUCT KEY !! For a fee of $10.00 which is a
bargain !

So, I was able to install Windows XP, and install my 16 bit software program.

Great !!

NOW, I cannot get the Windows XP program to recognize my thumb drive so I
can copy and paste.

When I copy from the thumb drive on the host machine, and try to paste on
the virtual machine, there is NOT a "paste" option. And the help says there
should be.

So, I tried to get the VM to recognize the thumb drive even after I
rebooted, and it did not.

So, I am again asking for your help re this thum drive/ copy and paste
problem.

"Mark Rae [MVP]" wrote:

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> "stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > So, eBay is my only place to go ?
>
> Unless you can find anywhere still selling XP...
>
> Alternatively, a TechNet or MSDN subscription would allow you to download a
> copy of XP and use it as many times as you like so long as it's for
> development, testing or demonstration purposes...
>
> > I was directed to phone help by MS XP help page, do you think they would
> > give me a product ID?
>
> I don't know, but I'd be amazed if they did. Why should they...?
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/21/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

Would it be easier to copy the folders from my USB and burn them to a DVD?

It looks like the Virtual PC will support a DVD drive.

Thanks again --

"David Wilkinson" wrote:

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> stevemalee wrote:
> > Well, I really goofed, and I apologize for wasting your time.
> >
> > What I needed was the product key, not the product ID -- really got mixed up.
> >
> > But, MS DID GIVE ME THE PRODUCT KEY !! For a fee of $10.00 which is a
> > bargain !
> >
> > So, I was able to install Windows XP, and install my 16 bit software program.
> >
> > Great !!
> >
> > NOW, I cannot get the Windows XP program to recognize my thumb drive so I
> > can copy and paste.
> >
> > When I copy from the thumb drive on the host machine, and try to paste on
> > the virtual machine, there is NOT a "paste" option. And the help says there
> > should be.
>
> Virtual PC does not support USB.
>
> If you have installed the Additions, you should be able use the Shared Folders
> feature. Then, I think, your paste should work.
>
> But I always prefer sharing files using ordinary network sharing. Just share the
> thumb drive on the host, and it should appear in My Network Places on the guest.
>
> --
> David Wilkinson
> Visual C++ MVP
>

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/21/2008
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

stevemalee wrote:

Virtual PC does not support USB.

If you have installed the Additions, you should be able use the Shared Folders
feature. Then, I think, your paste should work.

But I always prefer sharing files using ordinary network sharing. Just share the
thumb drive on the host, and it should appear in My Network Places on the guest.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

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> Well, I really goofed, and I apologize for wasting your time.
>
> What I needed was the product key, not the product ID -- really got mixed up.
>
> But, MS DID GIVE ME THE PRODUCT KEY !! For a fee of $10.00 which is a
> bargain !
>
> So, I was able to install Windows XP, and install my 16 bit software program.
>
> Great !!
>
> NOW, I cannot get the Windows XP program to recognize my thumb drive so I
> can copy and paste.
>
> When I copy from the thumb drive on the host machine, and try to paste on
> the virtual machine, there is NOT a "paste" option. And the help says there
> should be.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/21/2008
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"stevemalee" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

[top-posting corrected]

Er, no they did not *give* you a product key, as I suspected they wouldn't -
they *sold* you one, which is a very different thing...

It won't do natively, because Virtual PC does not support USB.

You're only solution here would be to use standard networking and share the
USB device as a network drive so that the guest OS could map a drive letter
to it... This has nothing to do with Virtual PC per se, it's just standard
networking...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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>> > I was directed to phone help by MS XP help page, do you think they
>> > would
>> > give me a product ID?
>>
>> I don't know, but I'd be amazed if they did. Why should they...?
>
> What I needed was the product key, not the product ID -- really got mixed
> up.
>
> But, MS DID GIVE ME THE PRODUCT KEY !! For a fee of $10.00 which is a
> bargain !
> NOW, I cannot get the Windows XP program to recognize my thumb drive so I
> can copy and paste.

Re: How to use the Virtual PC after it is installed

Sent: 07/24/2008
From: stevemalee
Message:

I did find that copying from the USB drive and pasting on the host desktop,
then dragging to the Virtual PC desktop, then copying to the program worked
very well.

You have to install virtual machine additions first, however.

"Bo Berglund" wrote:

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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:33:01 -0700, stevemalee
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >Would it be easier to copy the folders from my USB and burn them to a DVD?
> >
> >It looks like the Virtual PC will support a DVD drive.
> >
>
> No, it would not!
> It adds extra unneeded hassle in creating a DVD disk. If you really
> MUST use the DVD drive then create your "DVD disk" as an ISO image
> instead and mount that on the guest...
>
> But it still is a big kludge...
>
> If you want to go between the host and guest the easiest and most
> stable way is to share a folder on the guest or host to the network
> and then access it from the other side in the normal way.
>
> Example:
> Make a folder on the host C:\Shared\MyShare
> Share this folder on the network as MyShare
> Connect to the share MyShare from the guest
> Copy files on the host to this folder
> Copy files from this folder on the guest
>
> This is the most stable way of sharing files.
> And it is not depending on any VPC function either, it is just plain
> vanilla Windows network sharing.
>
>

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