>'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
>I have a curious experience which i do not understand so thought I'd ask for
>some assistance. Basically I get slow running guest OS in VPC 2007 SP1 64 bit
>when running on Windows Server standard 2008 64 bit. The synopsis is as
>follows:
>
>I have a fresh install of Windows 2008 standard SP1 64 bit as I was going to
>test out Hyper-V. I enabled hardware DEP and Virtualization Technologies in
>the BIOS and Hyper-V runs lovely and with fast guests OS's. Good with server
>guests but no sound support and only 16bit colour.
>
>However, I have an XP Pro SP3 32 bit guest (that I've been using for
>sometime in VPC 2007 on another host) that I want 32 bit colour and sound so
>I thought I'd install Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit and try it out on that, my
>thinking was to use Hyper-V for server guests and VPC for client guests on
>the same Win 2K8 host.
>
>I noticed that VPC runs the guest but it is painfully slow and it does not
>recognise 'Hardware Virtualization' in the VPC Options dialog - it i greyed
>out (but I have it turned on in the BIOS). After some experiments, I found
>that if I leave Hardware Visualization enabled in the BIOS but disable
>Hardware DEP in the BIOS, then the VPC recognises Hardware Virtualisation and
>the guest runs really fast (faster than expected in fact :) ). However,
>without DEP, Hyper-V won't run.
>
>My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
>'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
>
>Note, I was running Vista Ultimate 32 bit on the same hardware before with
>both Hardware DEP enabled and Hardware Virtualization enabled in the BIOS and
>VPC 2007 SP1 worked brilliantly - suggesting that the hardware/BIOS is
>working properly.
>
>Note 2, Virtual Machine additions is installed in the guest OS.
>
>Ideally I'd like to enable Hardware DEP and Hardware Visualization to run
>both Hyper-V and VPC simultaneously.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Ian

> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
>
> The short answer is you can't if you're running Hyper-V too, the
> hypervisor has control of the CPU and via virtualization, wont let
> another higher level app even see that HW Virtualization is available.
>
> Your speed problems really can't be helped and it's actually kind of a
> miracle that VPC can run at all -- it just goes to show how hard the
> virtualization team at Microsoft worked to get VM's so compatible with
> real machines.
>
> To get sound and 32-bit color in a VM is actually not all that hard in
> Hyper-V anyway, just don' connect to the VM with Hyper-V's console,
> use the normal RDP client instead, and have the VM's OS set to be able
> to access the remote desktop. You can get odd screen resolutions that
> way too where the Hyper-V console doesn't allow things like wide
> screen. (1200x800 on my laptop) There's really no speed penalty for
> using normal RDP either...
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:33:15 -0700, Ian Crisp
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >I have a curious experience which i do not understand so thought I'd ask for
> >some assistance. Basically I get slow running guest OS in VPC 2007 SP1 64 bit
> >when running on Windows Server standard 2008 64 bit. The synopsis is as
> >follows:
> >
> >I have a fresh install of Windows 2008 standard SP1 64 bit as I was going to
> >test out Hyper-V. I enabled hardware DEP and Virtualization Technologies in
> >the BIOS and Hyper-V runs lovely and with fast guests OS's. Good with server
> >guests but no sound support and only 16bit colour.
> >
> >However, I have an XP Pro SP3 32 bit guest (that I've been using for
> >sometime in VPC 2007 on another host) that I want 32 bit colour and sound so
> >I thought I'd install Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit and try it out on that, my
> >thinking was to use Hyper-V for server guests and VPC for client guests on
> >the same Win 2K8 host.
> >
> >I noticed that VPC runs the guest but it is painfully slow and it does not
> >recognise 'Hardware Virtualization' in the VPC Options dialog - it i greyed
> >out (but I have it turned on in the BIOS). After some experiments, I found
> >that if I leave Hardware Visualization enabled in the BIOS but disable
> >Hardware DEP in the BIOS, then the VPC recognises Hardware Virtualisation and
> >the guest runs really fast (faster than expected in fact :) ). However,
> >without DEP, Hyper-V won't run.
> >
> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
> >
> >Note, I was running Vista Ultimate 32 bit on the same hardware before with
> >both Hardware DEP enabled and Hardware Virtualization enabled in the BIOS and
> >VPC 2007 SP1 worked brilliantly - suggesting that the hardware/BIOS is
> >working properly.
> >
> >Note 2, Virtual Machine additions is installed in the guest OS.
> >
> >Ideally I'd like to enable Hardware DEP and Hardware Visualization to run
> >both Hyper-V and VPC simultaneously.
> >
> >Thanks in advance
> >Ian
>

>A sideways look at the problem!
>Thanks Robert
>
>A sideways look at the problem!
>
>I got RDP working to Hyper-V with sound and 24 bit color. cool
>
>thanks again
>Ian
>
>"Robert Comer" wrote:
>
>> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
>> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
>>
>> The short answer is you can't if you're running Hyper-V too, the
>> hypervisor has control of the CPU and via virtualization, wont let
>> another higher level app even see that HW Virtualization is available.
>>
>> Your speed problems really can't be helped and it's actually kind of a
>> miracle that VPC can run at all -- it just goes to show how hard the
>> virtualization team at Microsoft worked to get VM's so compatible with
>> real machines.
>>
>> To get sound and 32-bit color in a VM is actually not all that hard in
>> Hyper-V anyway, just don' connect to the VM with Hyper-V's console,
>> use the normal RDP client instead, and have the VM's OS set to be able
>> to access the remote desktop. You can get odd screen resolutions that
>> way too where the Hyper-V console doesn't allow things like wide
>> screen. (1200x800 on my laptop) There's really no speed penalty for
>> using normal RDP either...
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:33:15 -0700, Ian Crisp
>> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a curious experience which i do not understand so thought I'd ask for
>> >some assistance. Basically I get slow running guest OS in VPC 2007 SP1 64 bit
>> >when running on Windows Server standard 2008 64 bit. The synopsis is as
>> >follows:
>> >
>> >I have a fresh install of Windows 2008 standard SP1 64 bit as I was going to
>> >test out Hyper-V. I enabled hardware DEP and Virtualization Technologies in
>> >the BIOS and Hyper-V runs lovely and with fast guests OS's. Good with server
>> >guests but no sound support and only 16bit colour.
>> >
>> >However, I have an XP Pro SP3 32 bit guest (that I've been using for
>> >sometime in VPC 2007 on another host) that I want 32 bit colour and sound so
>> >I thought I'd install Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit and try it out on that, my
>> >thinking was to use Hyper-V for server guests and VPC for client guests on
>> >the same Win 2K8 host.
>> >
>> >I noticed that VPC runs the guest but it is painfully slow and it does not
>> >recognise 'Hardware Virtualization' in the VPC Options dialog - it i greyed
>> >out (but I have it turned on in the BIOS). After some experiments, I found
>> >that if I leave Hardware Visualization enabled in the BIOS but disable
>> >Hardware DEP in the BIOS, then the VPC recognises Hardware Virtualisation and
>> >the guest runs really fast (faster than expected in fact :) ). However,
>> >without DEP, Hyper-V won't run.
>> >
>> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
>> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
>> >
>> >Note, I was running Vista Ultimate 32 bit on the same hardware before with
>> >both Hardware DEP enabled and Hardware Virtualization enabled in the BIOS and
>> >VPC 2007 SP1 worked brilliantly - suggesting that the hardware/BIOS is
>> >working properly.
>> >
>> >Note 2, Virtual Machine additions is installed in the guest OS.
>> >
>> >Ideally I'd like to enable Hardware DEP and Hardware Visualization to run
>> >both Hyper-V and VPC simultaneously.
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance
>> >Ian
>>

> >Thanks Robert
>
> You're quite welcome!
>
> >A sideways look at the problem!
>
> Sometimes that's best. <g>
>
> --
> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:11:01 -0700, Ian Crisp
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Robert
> >
> >A sideways look at the problem!
> >
> >I got RDP working to Hyper-V with sound and 24 bit color. cool
> >
> >thanks again
> >Ian
> >
> >"Robert Comer" wrote:
> >
> >> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
> >> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
> >>
> >> The short answer is you can't if you're running Hyper-V too, the
> >> hypervisor has control of the CPU and via virtualization, wont let
> >> another higher level app even see that HW Virtualization is available.
> >>
> >> Your speed problems really can't be helped and it's actually kind of a
> >> miracle that VPC can run at all -- it just goes to show how hard the
> >> virtualization team at Microsoft worked to get VM's so compatible with
> >> real machines.
> >>
> >> To get sound and 32-bit color in a VM is actually not all that hard in
> >> Hyper-V anyway, just don' connect to the VM with Hyper-V's console,
> >> use the normal RDP client instead, and have the VM's OS set to be able
> >> to access the remote desktop. You can get odd screen resolutions that
> >> way too where the Hyper-V console doesn't allow things like wide
> >> screen. (1200x800 on my laptop) There's really no speed penalty for
> >> using normal RDP either...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bob Comer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:33:15 -0700, Ian Crisp
> >> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have a curious experience which i do not understand so thought I'd ask for
> >> >some assistance. Basically I get slow running guest OS in VPC 2007 SP1 64 bit
> >> >when running on Windows Server standard 2008 64 bit. The synopsis is as
> >> >follows:
> >> >
> >> >I have a fresh install of Windows 2008 standard SP1 64 bit as I was going to
> >> >test out Hyper-V. I enabled hardware DEP and Virtualization Technologies in
> >> >the BIOS and Hyper-V runs lovely and with fast guests OS's. Good with server
> >> >guests but no sound support and only 16bit colour.
> >> >
> >> >However, I have an XP Pro SP3 32 bit guest (that I've been using for
> >> >sometime in VPC 2007 on another host) that I want 32 bit colour and sound so
> >> >I thought I'd install Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit and try it out on that, my
> >> >thinking was to use Hyper-V for server guests and VPC for client guests on
> >> >the same Win 2K8 host.
> >> >
> >> >I noticed that VPC runs the guest but it is painfully slow and it does not
> >> >recognise 'Hardware Virtualization' in the VPC Options dialog - it i greyed
> >> >out (but I have it turned on in the BIOS). After some experiments, I found
> >> >that if I leave Hardware Visualization enabled in the BIOS but disable
> >> >Hardware DEP in the BIOS, then the VPC recognises Hardware Virtualisation and
> >> >the guest runs really fast (faster than expected in fact :) ). However,
> >> >without DEP, Hyper-V won't run.
> >> >
> >> >My question is, how do I get Virtual PC 2007 SP1 64 bit to run on a
> >> >'Hardware DEP' enabled machine running Windows Server 2008 SP1 64 bit?
> >> >
> >> >Note, I was running Vista Ultimate 32 bit on the same hardware before with
> >> >both Hardware DEP enabled and Hardware Virtualization enabled in the BIOS and
> >> >VPC 2007 SP1 worked brilliantly - suggesting that the hardware/BIOS is
> >> >working properly.
> >> >
> >> >Note 2, Virtual Machine additions is installed in the guest OS.
> >> >
> >> >Ideally I'd like to enable Hardware DEP and Hardware Visualization to run
> >> >both Hyper-V and VPC simultaneously.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks in advance
> >> >Ian
> >>
>

>I'm experiencing a similar problem with my server where if i have both
>Virtualization and DEP enabled in the BIOS, i get a Hyper-V launch failed. On
>closer inspection virtualization is disabled (even though enabled in the
>bios), en DEP enabled. I can however start Hyper-V if i disable Hardware
>Virtualization and enable DEP, but this negatively affects my performance.
>
>Does anyone have any advice? I'm running a DELL Poweredge 2900 with server
>2008 enterprise. The only thing installed on it is Hyper-V and File Services
>role
>
>Thanks,
>Hanno
>

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:58:00 -0700, Hanno
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
> >I'm experiencing a similar problem with my server where if i have both
> >Virtualization and DEP enabled in the BIOS, i get a Hyper-V launch failed. On
> >closer inspection virtualization is disabled (even though enabled in the
> >bios), en DEP enabled. I can however start Hyper-V if i disable Hardware
> >Virtualization and enable DEP, but this negatively affects my performance.
> >
> >Does anyone have any advice? I'm running a DELL Poweredge 2900 with server
> >2008 enterprise. The only thing installed on it is Hyper-V and File Services
> >role
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Hanno
> >
>
> Do you have the most recent BIOS update from Dell?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft.
>